Charlie Starr Brings the Thunder! | Shred with Shifty
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Video Title: Charlie Starr Brings the Thunder! | Shred with Shifty
Woo nailed it it’s a one take Jake baby one Two [Applause] Hey there how you doing today this is Chris shifflet as always your host of shred with Shifty your favorite guitar podcast on the entire internet got a great episode today with my pal Charlie star from Blackberry Smoke but first I want to address something I keep seeing
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Breaking down his solo from waiting for the Thunder Charlie’s not only one of my favorite dudes but he’s a guy with the most amazing collection of vintage guitars I think I’ve ever seen anybody take out on the road and he’s not just a guy that has all the cool gear amps and
Pedals and guitars and all that stuff he’s a guy that knows how to make all the cool gear sound really good he’s got tone and feel for days and you know there aren’t too many people in this Biz that I that I come across whose tastes
Run from like Randy and all the way to Don Rich and Roy Nichols but uh but Charlie’s in that VIN diagram of like you know classic rock 80s rock and Country kind of where they overlap kind of like me which is probably one of many reasons we became fast friends once uh
Once I went out on tour with Blackberry Smoke back in 2019 um I think we’re about the same age and definitely grew up listening to a lot of the same music uh I should mention right here that Blackberry Smoke has a brand new record called be right
Here coming out on February 16th and the first single dig a hole is out now so go crank it up but first this is Charlie star from Blackberry Smoke on Shred with Shifty what’s up Charlie welcome to the show hey man thank you for having me how are you I’m good I will tell you that you are my first interview for this brand new guitar show I’m honored well I wanted to do it with somebody that I’m
That that I know and I’m friends with and uh and and and love uh their guitar playing so you were the perfect candidate well I don’t know what to say I’m I’m I’m moved I’m honored and I I love what you’ve done with the place look at behind you it’s fantastic look
At that it’s my new man cave yeah if you could see I mean I’ve been like going to the um you know to the camera shop and picking their brain and buying like colored gels and all trying to oh yeah oh yeah and you know that’s not easy for
Me cuz I’m something of blite and this has like forced me to uh but that’s part of of what this new show will be we sort of like you know not so much with the camera gear but with uh with guitar stuff I’m I’m just hoping to learn I
Want to be a sponge what is a camera all I have is a is a phone what is a camera shop oh man I’ll I’ll I’ll send you my guy yeah yeah I got a guy um anywh who uh crazy that we were just over in the UK at the
Same time and almost ran into each other my first thought was like wait a minute they’re on tour over why aren’t we on tour with them I know why not next time yeah absolutely how was it how was your shows it was good for us was it good for you it fantastic yeah
Great crowds did you do the Holly head to do Ferry and all that stuff caled it over rather no CU we didn’t get over onto the continent we were just uh we were we kicked it off in Dublin and then um and then went over to Glasgow and and
Worked down oh I love Glasgow as well but don’t you love the get on the ferry at 2:30 a.m. and you you have to go upstairs and eat a full a full Irish or English breakfast you have to yes cuz you can’t stay on the bus right you
Can’t they won’t let you it’s illegal um I actually I wouldn’t want to be on the bus when the ship starts going down either that’d be that’d be pretty scary I’ve done it before I stayed I didn’t say anything to anybody I just stayed and I wish that I hadn’t because it was
A 3-hour 15minute ferry ride and I hope I don’t have some I don’t hope I don’t cause some international incident by telling this but you’re gonna get banned from Germany we’ll edit this out yeah but the bus driver later was like don’t you ever do that again because that’s
Extremely illegal I was like okay well I didn’t wake up sorry um we were talking before we started a little bit about that show out at the Ryman that that I got to open for you uh just a few months ago which I don’t know if you know but I’ve only
Ever played the Ryman as a solo artist I played it once with Foo Fighters years ago but I’ve only played it as a solo artist twice and both times were opening for the smoke I love that I know me too I love your band and I I you know how um
Nashville shows can be and like there’s really a lot of guests and family and stuff and friends and even though that’s not our hometown but it’s close um but I went down and watched it the that Chris shifflet show was new to me cuz I hadn’t seen that
Band uh and that show and you were were hitting hard my friend I was blown blown away and and learned some things just a few minutes ago that you told me about the show that I didn’t know but man great job well you know I got to say I
Went out into the crowd during you know we played our set and then went off and change my shirt or whatever and stopped sweating for a minute and then I went out into the crowd up where John was mixing up in the balcony and you know the Ryman for people that haven’t been
There obviously everybody knows the Ryman it’s the the mother church and legendary venue and and a pretty magic room and I went up to where John was mixing you guys up in the balcony it just sounded so good and if I remember correctly the song that we’re focusing
On today waiting for the Thunder your son came out and you guys actually traded off licks in the guitar solo right he did um I was so proud I mean as as a dad that’s like I have three boys myself that I it just it almost brought
A tear to my eye watching it I was like that’s the greatest thing ever it was it was it was unbelievable and it’s something that he asked um well I asked him if he would come and sit in cuz he lives there and uh and uh he you
Know he set in with us uh previously he did um Fairies Wear boots oh wow um and that was great and we swapped solos on that and uh I kind of was like you want to do that and he’s like well I don’t want to do the same song again I was
Like that’s right we shake it up that’s what we do he’s learning he’s learning so um I said would you be opposed to playing a Blackberry Smoke song and he said I wouldn’t be opposed to that at all and I said which one would you like
To do and he said waiting for the Thunder and then I said will you play the solo you want to do that I said it’s it’s awful naked you’re out there by yourself you know and uh he said absolutely and then and it it just kind of evolved into um swapping licks taking
Turns you know I mean so with with your son and his guitar playing have did you teach him how to play does he take advice from you um advice yeah um but I didn’t teach him I I when he was growing up I bought him U there were probably
Three different times that I handed him a guitar um as a gift a little acoustic when he was a little kid and then a little electric as he got a little older and then a full-on full size you know Gibson and uh I was trying to get the
Hook in him and and uh it and it wasn’t working he was like okay sort of just a little flippant about it you know more into skateboards more into soccer which and uh but I didn’t push CU nobody ever pushed me I think that I that pushing is
The wrong thing um to do and so I just was like well it’ll be there when he decides to come to it and and it bit him hard and it was because of Guitar Hero the video game believe it or not and it it didn’t come and that’s not playing
Obviously but it was information the information that he got from that game so I remember him coming to those songs in his head totally he came to me and and said uh I didn’t know Eric Clapton was in cream I was like oh here we go I you
Know I as I’m listening to you tell all all of that I have had a very similar experience um specifically with my youngest son but with all my kids you know we sort of made them play instruments when they were real young it didn’t really stick for any of them but
My youngest son has come back to it recently and and and I I love when your kids uh get into music that you love and know well but they don’t have any of your baggage timeline with it and they don’t exact you know it’s it’s like
All like you know music from the past so they don’t know like no this is the period that we think is cool and then this period is you know not as cool you know all that stuff it’s it’s the greatest thing and I love to just kind
Of zip my lip and watch them explore themselves you know well I got to uh this the same thing or a similar thing I started reliving uh some of these memories like coming full circle to some of these memories when he got very into the Almond Brothers and because Jessica was
On the Guitar Hero uh game that he was playing so he’s like DIY bets is great I’m like yep and he learned that and then Eddie Van Halen that bit him hard and and that was me too when I was 11 12 years old it was that was it that was
The be end all and uh I started to remember I was like oh yeah you know what when I was 12 years old you had to choose it was either Eddie or Randy rhods you couldn’t have both you had to it was it was a or
B oh those were funny arguments man no way kiss is better than ACDC nuh-uh I mean it was a real thing and and we had fights about it and I was like well I was always I was always Team Ed man that was that was our jam and so he was like
Yep me too okay well that’s okay great because I wanted to get into that how old were you when you started playing guitar I was six my dad uh he’s a bluegrass guitar player and um singer strum he’s not a lead player he’s just a rhythm strumming guy and and a a trador
And uh he gave me same he’s like here you go cuz I was always banging his D28 around and he’s like wait wait hold on hold on I’m going to get you one and uh and then he taught me GC and d and how
To how to play wreck of the Old 97 you know and and I was like this is great I just want to make music I just want to I want to make songs you know and uh and then uh I heard blood Zeppelin and Black Sabbath
And and even the stones and The Beetles and things that were on the radio at that time in like 1981 82 you know um but man in ‘ 84 when I really when my ears really opened for the first time like really I think and I heard Van
Halen I was like oh man okay then did you go back and like get their whole catalog I did I well the first album I bought with my own money was 1984 and uh and it was because of MTV and it was all that was all happening
1984 was a big year for people my age man it was oh yeah I think we’re about the same age and I remember going to the record store and buying 1984 when it came out yeah there were just that some Brandon our piano player we talk about
That a lot he’s like man 1984 was a windfall of a year I mean with movies and music and pop culture it was it was pretty pretty huge what were the other big rock records happening at that point Thriller was right around that time
Right I mean um um or maybe that was 83 I can’t remember and it’s in it’s in the wake of the first couple Aussie solo records with ro who you mentioned and it’s in the wake of the first do solo record yeah a big one for me the the rat
Uh invasion of your privacy or out of the Sellar my sister was a big she loved that and and they sort of stood out for me as being a band that had really good songs you know and they had that really slick production that Sunset Strip production but they had really good had
War D Martini that’s right yeah yeah um but she also loved huie Lewis in the news so it was really kind of all over the place which also who also had really really good songs and MTV at that point is starting to play all the heavy metal
Bands that that I loved which you couldn’t you know up until that time you never really saw unless they came through your town you never saw what these guys looked like when they were moving around and stuff so that was that was a big part of the draw for sure sure
Yeah absolutely so at what point in all that do you go Dad this D28 is cool but uh I want a straat with a Floyd Rose like when when did you make that switch well he was not interested in any of that so I circumvented dad and I went to
Mom who was a rock and roll person she loved the Beatles and the stones and Bob Dylan and uh and I was like I have to have an electric guitar and she she let me borrow $25 and uh there was a there was a guy in my hometown named Bubba Lewis and he
Had a guitar for sale and it was a mosrite copy but he had it all striped up like Eddie Van Halen So I went down and bought it and it had a Bigsby on it which I was like well that’ll do that thing right it’ll go but it wouldn’t it
Would only go you know yeah but I took it home and I put your guitar wildly Out Of Tune totally well he and and he told me I didn’t have an amp and he’s like U he taught me some some things on the guitar he taught me how to play a couple
Of oh I didn’t know what a power chord was at that point I only knew these you know the cowboy chords Cowboy cords he’s like look no this is way and I knew bar chords b a r r e bar and he said no no you don’t have to do that full thing
Like that man just these two fingers you’re there and uh he taught me Iron Man that way you know and I was like oh okay this is a real thing you know what’s funny about the bar chord but the the b a bar chord for me this is a bad
Habit that I got into right away when I first started playing which you just mentioned you just use your two fingers I just used my pointer finger and my pinky yeah and that still screws me up to this day cuz I was just going you know like that like that
Instead of using three fingers you know what I and to this day I I think that I will never like have good coordination or or finger strength because of that that one little technique mistake that I made when I first started playing I don’t know I think that’s all you need
That that was Bubba Lewis’s approach hey work for Bubba Lewis yeah it’s been working for us all these years too so he told me he said uh go home uh you got a stereo at home right I said yeah my sister’s got a really good stereo and he
Said go to that stereo you got a dual cassette deck yes sir okay in the headphone jack and and he with the $25 guitar I got a I got a an instrument cable from him he said you plug the guitar in you plug your instrument cable
Into that headphone jack you put a blank tape in the record side of the dual cassette deck hit play record and pause and then turn the volume all the way up and your guitar will come through the speakers oh W and it sure did and I and
It and it was all distorted and and compressed and horrible really it even had gain it had gain I think an accidental gain we’ll call it because I mean I remember in those early days before I knew how you know overdrive pedals worked or like you know a master
Volume or any of that stuff and we just had this little like practice amp that my mom got cuz my older brothers played that just you know you could dime it and it wouldn’t break up at all and just not understand like why does it sound so uneventful when I’m playing
Nicey roads at all man yeah yeah well uh I think I wound up there’s probably probably uh what I was doing with that stereo was incorrect and and I wound up completely destroying it and yet another fight for my sister and I but but but for a few days it was
Glorious oh I bet were were you a disciplined guitar student when you were learning really MH were you like sitting the metronome and playing your scales and going you know 5 BPM faster every time and all that sort of thing not like that it was more um the rewind play
Learn listen to The Lick rewind play Rewind play or even with the record with the needle um I had to figure out how to play disciplined in that way like I was not going to give up until I learned how to play those those licks and those
Songs did you take a lot of lessons no I I I went for um when I was young with the first acoustic guitar the six-year-old uh era uh my dad took me to it was a music teacher he wasn’t really a guitar teacher he was an allaround
Music teacher he played piano and and banjo and guitar and uh he would just sit in jam with me I remember he would sit and he he he uh showed me this little thing he said I’m going to show you this little Spanish tune and uh he would play this
E7 and then like a an f and and then he would he would go like just play just go and uh it was like a I’m a six-year-old kid and we’re just jamming he wasn’t really teaching me any specifics like you do like this and you
Do like this he saw that I just wanted to make a tune somehow on it you know right and and he inadvertently showed you something that sounds kind of like heavy metal how great I think what he was sort of instilling in my young mind was a
Little bit of theory maybe maybe and maybe he didn’t even know he was doing that but do you have a pretty firm Gra of theory like that’s something that like I’ve sort like I took lessons when I was a kid learned some Basics but I
Feel like I have a lot of gaps yeah me too yeah I don’t think I have a full uh understanding of what it even means to understand Theory but I know it sounds good to me and what feels good to me and um I know it like song structure when
You start to write songs you know it’s sort of you rely on that like and and it really is what what you uh what you like about the types of songs you like you know if you like songs to be 15 minutes long and never repeat anything then sure
That’s for you but but that ain’t really for me so I like to repeat the parts that are that I think are the crowd likes yeah well so when did it go when did um it go you talked about you know Eddie Van Halen and some of the folks you were
Listening to that were the lead guitar players which was that was a great era that was like the Guitar Hero era yeah um and so when did it go from you’re learning Cowboy cords and putting that together in maybe a couple of scales to like learning something where you went a
Lick or some specific thing that you went I’m a lead guitar player now oh you know I think that I don’t know because I would struggle you know with and uh I I I really wanted to be able to play like like Eddie and I couldn’t do it um we
All wanted to learn eruption and we would learn parts and as soon as we got the tapping part we’re like I know it you know but um I maybe it was uh well I remember um uh listening and loving all different kinds of songs not just you know um the heavy metal guys
And even loving the Cure and and First Learning the and I remember thinking well that’s a solo I got it right right so um I don’t know maybe that was the first the little solo lick that I learned that was like okay well this is not not all that
Hard and that’s that by the way is a great solo to learn because it’s just straight down the dionic scale yeah you know I think isn’t it like that’s it yeah and there you go every note in the scale right there for you with the E thring out it’s a great
Lesson yeah I mean you can’t go wrong with that and I mean mess with that a little bit and it’s all and it’s almost the love gun solo too well exactly okay so that’s great because that’s that for me I remember I was taking guitar lessons from my first
Guitar teacher who showed me like I said like cowboy cords Beetle songs a couple of scales and then I switched to this other guitar teacher in town who uh my friend was like you got to go take lessons from Steve Miles because he’s gonna show you how to like shred and I
Remember like maybe the first lesson I took with him he showed me a couple of those repeating patterns and that for me was like when it when I remember coming home from that and like there was a couple it was Like like that kind of thing and then but the one that was really the most important was you know cuz that you could just do that endlessly stay there forever you know what I mean that sort of thing I remember that was the moment
For me that went yeah yeah I got it I’m a guitar player now that’s that’s the that’s the lady’s favorite lick right there well there’s all those ones there’s like those basic ones that like I still go to like I’m I’m curious like for you when you walk into a guitar shop
I think of it as like my guitar shop lick like when I walk into a guitar shop and there’s a beautiful guitar sitting there and you never played and you pick it up there we all have our sort of go-to things that we do to you know to
See what the action’s like to see what the neck feels like maybe it’s plugged in you see what it sounds like what’s your guitar store like I mean that for what I just played for me it’s mine you know like that kind of stuff like what’s what’s the thing when you walk into
Guitar Center to the Vintage Room or what whatever that when you pick up that that uh beautiful guitar what’s what’s the lick that you play to check it out I always play an A A and E I’m not sure why cuz I cuz why not G but it’s always Like it’s always a what you just did right there demonstrates everything that I love about rock and roll and Honky Tonk and Country guitar playing it’s that thing of like how do this is where my lack of uh of of uh of um you know U theory is
Going to come into play here but it’s that thing of knowing when to throw in the extra notes the flat five the minor third to the major third the flat 7even the six all that stuff and you just in that one little demo right there you
Kind of did all that well thank you that’s well that my my music store lick when did it get to a point for you where you weren’t thinking about it and you were just doing it I’m not sure I I I was thinking about this with I was
Talking to my son about it not long ago we were talking about hybrid picking and uh and I don’t I remember struggling with straight picking trying to play fast you know and at some point my middle finger became a crutch and it and it I remember um uh talking with Nick
Per who’s a you know Nick he’s a great guitar player and uh neither one of us the same thing neither one of us could put our finger on the exact point where it’s like oh when did when did you start to do that you know cuz like Glenn
Campbell did it and Clarence white did it and all these people Billy Gibbons does it I never even knew that until I started to see his hands up close and be like oh he does it too like on he’s using those two you know it’s not never
And it’s like and and then it becomes something you’re not even thinking about you know it’s like muscle memory um for the the songs that you’re you know playing your own songs like oh I forget or oh I didn’t realize that I do um I’m rambling now I’m not even sure what your
Question was no yeah that’s exactly it cuz I know for me like I started doing that a lot when I the deeper I got into country music and realizing that Plucky sound yeah where that comes from and then like you said recognizing it in people like Billy Gibbons and all these
Guys that I’d already been listening to Forever you know yeah there’s a very different thing in the solo that we’re going to talk about there’s one lick that is specifically a Gibbons a Gibbons ISM and and you you kind of have to use that finger and a pick you know the
Hybrid together to make that to make this moment happen um or maybe maybe you maybe you can do it without it I’m not sure but well let’s get in into the solo let’s start talking about the solo so we’re going to focus we’re going to drill down on on the guitar solo in
Waiting for the Thunder um where and when did you record this song we recorded this in Atlanta uh or north of Atlanta up in maretta uh or Kenesaw rather Georgia uh in a studio called The Quarry I think it was around 2015 uh we were making the record that
Would be known as like an arrow and I recorded the solo on this guitar that’s why I oh really that’s why I got it out today it’s a this is a 2014 custom shop southern rock tribute o le Paul Standard they why is it called southern rock
Tribute who is it a tribute to it was a tribute to Dwayne Alman and at the time I specifically a tribute to Dwayne but then also uh at the same time it was a tribute to Gary rossington and Dicky bets and Charlie Daniels and all the these guys who
Played these burst guitars you know um so it’s modeled after a 59 yeah and this is number 60 I think they made 150 of them oh wow um but it was a it was a gift from the custom shop at the time and it’s a really good guitar I took it
On the road all of 2014 and I loved it so much I played it every night and so we went into the studio and we recording these new songs at the time um I remember this solo I remember thinking it needed a it needed a humbucker guitar and this one happened
To be there I was like well that’s a uh yeah that that that’ll work and You’ already taking it out on the road and got some sweat and some scratches on it yeah and it’s completely stock I didn’t change anything it’s wow custom bucker pickups and does Gibson wind those
Themselves in the customer shop wow do you remember what amp and pedals and all that sort of thing you had going that day yeah I didn’t have a pedal this was a 1976 50 wat JM P Marshall through a 412 cabinet with green backs and it was uh
I’ve never been somebody who dimes my amp um some people do I guess I don’t um I just you know you find it start at noon with every knob and then change the tone stack to where you want it to be go from
There but I had it pretty I had it I had I had it it was pretty loud cuz you can do that in the studio you know it was R in the windows but um and it’s fairly dry too if I remember there’s not much I
Don’t know if there’s any Reverb on it it’s pretty some maybe some room yeah it sounds real inyour face yeah it was dirty uh when you’re putting together a solo in the studio um what’s your approach there do you did you have it worked out before you went in do you
Just kind of noodle till you find the thing that’s working and then refine it or you winging it every time and every time it’s a different whole different setle X it depends on the song I think uh I remember not having anything in mind for this song um I knew it was
Going to be stops and starts and and uh and so as a you know as a songwriter too you’ll think of a solo is like okay well this is almost like another verse so um it needs to have some uh some Theory um and maybe a theme you know or some sort
Of following the melody is always a great place to start i’ I found is is playing the vocal Melody but I didn’t really play the vocal Melody on this but I noodled around for a minute and uh and then landed on something that I liked and just kind of followed where it
Where it went well it’s super hooky in lyrical it’s like I love when solos do that you know it’s when when you could sing the part well thank you very much me too that’s that’s what I’ve always uh aspired to accomplish is a lot like like Gary rossington who just passed you know
But his in a three guitar band like Leonard skinnard his solos to me were the ones you could sing right yeah I imagine like the whole crowd at a Blackberry smokes uh show singing along when you’re playing these licks oh I hope so so when what’s it like in the room do
You have all your bandmates and I’m speaking from experience here all your band mates on a couch behind you sort of short order cooking you while you’re while working it out or do you like get out of here let me do this no they leave now they’re Paul might stay and Benji
Might stay U the guitar players but everybody else is like screw this I’m going to Waffle House or something have fun with your little guitar day well here another question because I’ve I you know I struggle with this sometimes myself even just within an album or certainly within the context of your whole
Career how do you do you think about not repeating yourself when you’re putting solos together yeah um and I have repeated myself well we all do I mean I probably have three licks that are pretty much in every solo I’ve ever done you know you go out from there but like
Is I always want Wonder with other players if that’s something that’s on your mind like I just put this in this other song I can’t do it again it’s too slow no I I always I always uh stumble upon it later I’m like oh damn it that’s
The lick from you know um but it’s like you said sometimes it’s uh the things that Tom weights said that our hands are like dogs and they go to familiar places that’s a good line I guess that’s what we do well I always love that about
Eddie Van Halen like when you when you listen to a lot there’s there’s certain themes certain things that he does in a lot of different solos like oh it’s that thing again from the one yeah I mean that that’s kind of beautiful really tot like I mean it worked for Chuck Barry
Well especially if you’re lucky enough to have like a long career and make a lot of Records I think it’s it’s great Charlie I feel like we’ve done a lot of talking let’s get to some playing let’s are you ready to play the guitar solo in waiting for the Thunder real real slow
So us mortals can get a grip on it I am ready all right let’s let’s do it so I love the solo like we talked about it’s perfect for what we’re doing today it’s broken into four sections four uh separate licks and ideas and themes and
It does what uh what great solos do it’s it’s it’s singable it’s hookie um and it’s it’s right there just like 99.9999% of of every guitar solo I do it’s in that minor pentatonic box but with some extra Sizzle thrown in there and some over bends what I love and a
Lot of style in this first section you’re kind of starting because we’re playing you’re playing over the verse essentially and you’re kind of aping the the vocal line a little bit but not but then it quickly deviates and turns into that great thing where you’re sort of
Overlapping I love when solos start a little low too yeah that’s a good that’s a good point um what we probably didn’t talk about earlier about solos is building a solo like building you you don’t want to come in maybe you don’t want to come in with your hottest lick
You know blazing um and it a a low starting low is a always a always a great place to start there and work your way up to the up to the the where the dust is up here yeah and we should probably tell people this is
In the key of B it is in b b natural so I came out of the uh that’s the lick that’s going on while the organ is playing and then coming out of the and then the first lick Is and that’s just a little you know like a vocal kind of turn Around and then right after after that is the little Gibbons ISM I was talking about yes um that’s it goes Uh so I’m picking the the e or uh the a string up there at the ninth fret and underneath it at the seventh fret on the D string I’m plucking with my middle finger so and there there lots of St points there because you’ve got not only
Are you doing that that that pluck but you’re letting those those notes overlap each other that’s where you get that good that flat seven thing happening over it it’s got the slur Tom bukovac calls it the Slur Yeah and I like I like what you do there with your vbr because that’s again style points for style points for the whole thing but the the vbr with the with you know it’s I love how you you know when to when to have the slow of a br but then when to
Give it that like shaky hand oh well thank you and Eric Clapton there there’s a video where he’s talking about you know uh the person has asked him about soloing and he’s like it’s singing it’s it’s just your instrument is singing so coming out of the that might be something that a a
Singer would sing h you know yeah um anyway I often wish that I could sing with the Reckless abandon that I can play guar I mean how great would it be do not do not line up necessarily sing like Chris Stapleton yeah exactly exactly yeah we’ll just continue to do
This then Chris I can’t sing like Chris Stapleton but my name is really close to his in the record yeah it is it’s right there alrighty cool so what so it is so let’s just recap [Applause] that that’s right is that about Right yeah and then you’re out of for the big now when you’re playing that live do you go back to the chords or are you like we got three guitars in this pan I’m just I’m going to hang up here I’m just going to do this for a second while
I can reset yeah I let they they handle it nice and the beauty of a three guitar band lot guar that’s right when you slide up to this next section are you sliding up to the fifth it’s one of those things that kind of flies by so
It’s hard to know exactly are you but are you sliding up to the fifth and then doing that minor third to Major third thing um yeah I’m still staying on the F note there uh that we just came out of the so now I’m go back up to
It and that’s just a chord shape you know of the B and are you getting are you doing multiple notes up there is it like a um like a uh double stop kind of thing or is it single note just single notes and I’m plck I’m again I’m
Plucking plucking the the a string with the pick and then grabbing the G String yeah it’s in that middle finger’s working through that whole that whole little part right that’s right that’s my dog he’s helping out hush we want to hear his opinion about your tone man well he loves that he’s excited about that double stop lick that’s his favorite you trained your dog well I
Love it so the yeah the uh and you kind of mute those notes a little bit they’re not wide open they’re a little bit hushed you know kind of like oh yeah so are you and are you sliding in on each one of those yeah are you kind
Of oh yeah I think I played over you when you doing but give it give it to us one time real Slow yeah ultimate style I love that kind of that um I can’t obviously play like Jeff Beck but he would do so many of those sliding down to notes right that and that’s so that’s that’s different and when I don’t know about for you but when I hear something
Like that it’s all it’s such an ear catcher like oh totally and it’s like I wonder if that comes from actual slide guitar playing because there’s a lot of that slide you know where that sort of reversing directions thing uhhuh maybe it’s something that Derek truck and he
Does with the slide like he’ll come from from an extremely high position to a way down into a um yeah buddy you get them yeah you get those you get those like uh like what’s the one I’m think Of well I don’t have a slide on so that doesn’t sound good we’re going to edit that out it’s probably the hardest Lick in the solo it is yeah and it was it’s hard to match I sort of like with a lot of this I would like feel like I got
Close but I didn’t really get exactly what it was you know but this I love cuz it’s two big over bends in a row where you’re bending the first one’s bending up from the tonic to the minor third and then the second one is uh I
Think is you’re bending up from the from the fifth to the flat seven that’s it yeah love it let’s can you can you demo that for me slow the start of the lick is that it’s a stretch it’s a it’s a sort of a petal steel lick um so you’re coming you
Go so you’re doing the uh that double stop up into that pentatonic you know minor uh then you stretch your index finger way up there to the to the seventh fret that’s that’s the kind of that’s the kind of lick that I worry about for the whole show KN on the
Horizon I do too and I flub it I don’t always get it um and I’ve seen people which would be similar but it ain’t right it’s not Right and it should be noted you’re doing this with a very dry unforgiving tone it’s got some on it but it’s very unforgiving so when you miss that note everybody knows it everybody knows it’s a great big I I saw an interview where the guy said that’s a great big Moab
Ball hanging out there um but as I Listen that’s it that’s it that’s the hard Part so when you when you’re doing that are you are you only really uh picking the first first note when you get to the B string and then the rest of it’s a hammer on and a Bend yeah now how do you approach that like for me when I’m doing like anything over
A whole step Bend I’m sort of throwing caution to the wind I’m not super concerned if it’s right on the money if it lands it’s just more like that Mick Ronson you know just just Reckless abandon that’s it this whole solo was that way it was like um I remember um
Playing some things and being like well that’s not quite right and the engineer Billy Bowers at the time was like who cares just play the out of it even if other strings ring even if you get the last note of this solo is a great example of getting the B string
Accidentally caught up with the E string that little thing you know the grit the grit and and it and it it happens when it happens it’s beautiful and then when it doesn’t live it’s like a I really wanted that other string to get in there and make Some Noise isn’t that funny I
Feel like we spend a lot of time sometimes in the studio uh engineering those kind of mistakes yeah you know what I mean like you’re looking for that mistake yeah you know it’s got to it’s got to happen when it doesn’t happen it’s like a now it’s boring
Exactly this this solo I I even there were a couple times where another thing about this solo is the guitar is the Rhythm instrument throughout because there’s nothing else going on so it really is played in the rhythm of the song it’s not it doesn’t jump time
Anywhere there’s no uh it’s not uh it’s not poly rythmic you know it really and I’ve played it before and tried to add a little poly rythmic thing and Brit our drummer would be like what are you doing now I don’t know where we are in the
Song like how do for live do you tend to um I mean for for a solo like this it’s like it’s it like I said it’s hookie it’s like a part of the song that you could sing to so do you play it more or less like the record
You do yeah I mean I a um I made um well not even no I never even really add Li this one it’s just I play the licks the way I may play them a little differently with a little different feel who knows you know it’s according to what the
Night feels like but but that was a great example of I I I tried to go out a little out there one night and he was like don’t do that I’m gonna get lost just play it like it I said okay man I’ll keep it do you remember how many
Times uh you uh cuz this it sounds so fresh on the on the record do you remember how many times how many takes you took not many this one not many when I when I I think I maybe had to fix a couple of the because they’re so
Separated you know yeah um but it it didn’t take very long I remember um I think Benji was there um but I remember thinking that’s fine why W that’s that’s good enough hard sometimes in the studio to not overthink it yeah yeah um and I
Have been guilty of of uh I heard a story once about a famous guitar player that we all know and love who I won’t name who just kept on and on and on with the with uh the perfectionism and was like no no I got to get this no it’s not
Right and and uh just like pulling his hair out and finally was like all right I’m done and the producer said are you done and he’s like yes I’m done he goes good now all those people who are going to take the record back will keep it I thought you were
Heading to now we’re going to use take one right exactly well probably so but no that that one it didn’t take very long and when I listen to it here with you it’s really raw it’s really uh oh yeah and it doesn’t sound like it’s completely in tune well that it’s funny
Because this last section that we’re about to get to this was the part that was the hardest for me to get a handle on okay are you doing a Bend from the 15th fret that gets all like two steps up I don’t even know what we call that
In Theory terms I’m somebody comment in the comment section let us know yeah but it’s like you’re going from like that’s it so this one really I like I I even put it in my amazing slower Downer app and still couldn’t quite work it out because I was playing it like the
Way I would approach it which would be like but that’s not it at all right yeah it’s a so what are the first couple notes real slow it’s uh that’s the first two okay got It yeah that’s a and I’m just ripping off Mike Campbell sounds like well that okay let’s talk about what that is for the Young guitar players at home you’ve got uh what is that that’s the sixth to that’s like a m that’s like exactly what we were talking about before where it’s
A little bit of the major scale a little bit of the minor pentatonic thrown yeah thrown together so you’re going from the six to the to the tonic up to the minor third then all the way up to the Fifth that’s it God I love that look that and that totally is uh like you that song the stealer by free Paul kasof where he goes oh wow same kind Of where where you is that where are you Playing what note are you bending up to right there oh wow and and that’s that part of the building of of of the waiting for the Thunder solo it it it did it never felt like it needed anything to be played fast like a fast lick but it needed something
Extreme um a little unhinged and uh that was about as unhinged as I could get as a bend that and that that again like you when you when you mentioned earlier like live I never know if it’s going to be a good clean Bend or it might have every
Other string ringing at the same time right the more the marrier yeah that’s that’s that’s an amazing thing so you’ve got a there’s a lot going on there you’ve got that uh major scale to minor scale thing you’ve got the big giant the biggest overbend of the whole solo and
Then the grit the noise Yeah that’s it love it got to grab those two notes on accident well that’s the whole solo could you would you be so kind uh so we don’t get sued by YouTube or whatever um and just play it for in its entirety sure coming out Of Yeah I was very tempted to play the chords behind you but I don’t know if Riverside has a latency issue and I screw it up remember when you and I played I’ll be you on Instagram live do you remember that yes during Co yes and
I’m sure it didn’t line up at all but boy it was fun yeah but you know those were the early days of lockdown when we were all struggling to figure out how to entertain the people my wife watched it on her phone uh in another room in this
House and she was like that sounded weird babe I don’t know I don’t know if your wife is like my wife my wife pretty much says that regardless of laty um hey I I uh I thought it would be fun to ask the people if they had any questions for you
And I got some good questions off off the internet oh okay first one from Kurt Cornell is uh ask Charlie star if he ever tires of kicking ass never never I’m too young I’m still too young Kurt that’s right that’s right then when you talked about uh buying your first record in
1984 you really meant 2004 I know that’s right yeah there were also a lot of questions about your pedal board but um we could just direct people to your Rig Rundown which I saw you filming but I haven’t watched the actual Rig Rundown but if you want to just do a maybe a
Quick uh like what’s the one go-to pedal that you just can’t live without kind of thing well I got a couple of those I I love uh Analog Man uh Mike Pier he makes great stuff I love um he he I love his fuzzes and his bino boost and the king
Of tone which I’m using right now um just unbeatable stuff um also uh pedmont electronics the aluminum Falcon um I don’t have a real clown because I don’t want to spend I would love to have one but I don’t know that I would be allowed to spend $5,000 on a pedal but but
That’s why you have those purchases shipped straight to your studio not that I’m saying I do that that’s right yeah I send them to Chris shifflet Studio there but I have a really nice u a nice sounding clone of of the the famous clown called the aluminum Falcon it’s
Really good um and and the uh uh the super trim full tone trimo um I use it I even use it with amps that have tremolo I just love the sound of that pedal um how do you set it like nice and slow or
Real um it depends I I kind of have an off and on really where um just to if I want to something extreme I could get down on my hands and knees and change it you know but but I kind of keep it pretty pretty strong the intensity is
Pretty strong but not terribly fast but are you do you do much of that live I’m trying to think if I ever seen you get down on your knees and start adjusting delays and Things No that looks bad I’m not into that I’m not into that the older you get
The harder it is to get back up yeah okay here’s another one from a from a sky dog disciple that that I’ve this got my attention because I always think about this myself he wanted to know about your tone for slide guitar cuz you’re a great slide guitar player um I
Know for me I always feel like I I I’m I grit my amp up too much but I want that all that grit because I feel like if I don’t I’m then I’m not getting sustained so how do you like what’s your amp pedal settings for when you’re playing slide I
Don’t do anything different really um for slide than than for just playing with my fingers but um um it’ll be a specific to the guitar um um and juniors are really they like to they like slide because they they have a lot of sustain and they’re they’re a gritty mean guitar
Anyway you know more so than a Telecaster or an Esquire those would be a little tougher I don’t I’m not not playing a whole lot of slide on a Telecaster do you jack the strings up like the action or I like how do you do that without click clacking on the frats
Well I like it pretty high anyway um I like um not terribly high but but um I like my my action a good bit higher than Paul does for example he likes low action um and it’s just a preference thing but he plays through a helix you
Know what I mean I get I I like to get in there and dig uh on most guitars for you it just tonally there’ll be there’ll be some sweetness there that you might not have on a guitar that has lower action for me anyway that’s just a my my
Personal preference yeah it’s nice when they fight you a little bit like when when you’re playing slide do you have uh a little slap delay or like a long delay you put anything on like that on there no well sometimes there’s a couple songs where I will there there’s some delay
With the slide um uh and it’ll be a longer delay um uh but not much and I and I will use uh that that clone pedal um to give it a little more there’s a little more compression and a little more gain there and even you can turn
The volume knob and lose some of that game but still kind of retain some of that compression and some of that power so you can keep the sustain for the slide but as I say that I watch Derek truck’s play through basically you know he likes a super Reverb that’s his sort
Of the 6l6 amp and he plays with really low action and it sounds like he really likes for his slide to hit the Frets and it sounds cool you can hear them sometimes like there’s a strange little Nuance that happens when he plays and he has no problem whatsoever with it so but
He’s the king so who knows right right interesting um all right uh spicy beans wants to know and I think this is an interesting question here too and since I know you to be a bit of a gearhound I’m curious to hear your answer here if you were going to
Frankenstein uh a guitar together what would all the components be from each one huh like what would the final product be of your you know like the Eddie vanill and Frankenstein guitar like if you just took the neck from this and the pickup from that and the body
From you know what would that what would that wind up being you know what it would be a piece of mahogany body like a Les Paul Jr and it would be a an early to mid 60s uh rosewood fretboard Telecaster neck Telecaster or esire nice beefy one um
With a bigs b and a P90 and uh maybe a maybe a paf in the neck oo that’s my Frankenstein gu I love it yeah do you own that guitar that you just described is that in your Vault somewhere I don’t it needs to be oh it and it needs
A be Bender too oh there you go well now I know what to get you as a uh as a thank you note for uh for being on the show dear Fender yeah could you Relic exactly since we’re on we kind of talked about this with slide but somebody
Wanted to know your uh string action and like uh string gauges and pick gauge well I like 10 to 46 for Strings um that’s all I’ve ever really used picks I like he basically like old Fender Heavies um these are InTune GP but the it’s the heavy gauge well what shape is
That is that like a triangle shape what is that no it’s just a little it’s a Blackberry Smoke pick oh look at that love it um I tried those um dun loock oh dog’s on my pick your dog yeah my little dog I used to put my kids on
There but then I want up switching it fantastic your kids are like don’t put me on your pck dad it’s not they’re holding up now they’re like dude stop it yeah we get it you love us it’s cool just please stop I’m a I’m a grownup dad stop doing
That um I’m sorry I cut you off when you were explaining something about your pick Oh no just that it’s uh I I tried some uh the Dunlop like the uh remember those uh herco with the they kind of rough like yeah I dig those dig those and uh they
They sound good they have a thing and uh but then just for Simplicity sake it’s like okay these are fine dude you are so great I love you I love your guitar playing you’re just a wonderful wonderful human being to talk to and I feel like I learned a lot in this
Interview and um I’m going to cop all your licks at least all the ones from this solo same to you Chris shiplet oh man I appreciate you so much man I love you too Yeah that was Charlie star from Blackberry Smoke you know the drill learn the solo film the solo post the solo and make sure you tag me on your socials and we will see you in two weeks with Blake Schwarz and Bach from jawbreaker adios am Migos 1 2 3 Shred
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Lol I never knew that cure song had that open b string included in that descending run lol
Thanks for showing me
How did he put out those songs all by himself?
I met Charlie and the band at the Waiting for the Thunder album drop. It was an acoustic show at the basement in Nashville. There were about 40 people in the very small packed room. The thing that made that night so memorable for me was the sheer musicality that album exhibits. After the show the band hung out with us for well over an hour signing shirts and albums and just generally having a big time. They are all a real down to earth and all around the nicest bunch of big time stars I have ever met. They hung out with fans like it was old home week. I became a fan for life that very night.
What a great interview. I particularly loved the part where Charlie was talking about his sons upbringing. As a parent of an accomplished guitarist and song writer, all I ever did was facilitate. In fact I bought him his first Gibson at age 13 in an effort to get the playstation controller out of his hand. I inadvertently caused what came later because he took to the guitar instantly. He was playing Statesboro blues slide parts in 6 weeks flat and it's been the biggest part of his life ever since. He is 22 now and in a solid working outfit that have written about 15 or so solid tunes and are playing the clubs in and around the southeast about 4 to 6 times a month. He is livin the life for sure.
im not stoned… Im old..i look like Uncle Fester. The new and improved Uncle Fester
LOVE Charlie Starr!! I'm loving the show, my favorite things gear, music, tour stories! Keep em coming learning something every episode.
I stumbled upon this interview somehow. I don’t even play guitar, but live music. This was a great interview!
Shoot, I just wanna cop the guitar store licks. That way I won’t look like such a Hank trying out a new guitar.
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charlie star what a great guy learned a lot about guitar sounds.
Just 17. Home coming queen..i love blacberry smoke. Their albums just keep getting better. Thr remake keep on smiling is great. Charie Starr in my opinion is the freakin toolbox wihen it comes to playing guitar tone. I ve always went his way without all the pedals just mainly a cord into a lp jr or tele straight into the amp.brother rick Richards has a great tone but i love Charlie just from the ,pick up the guitar tune it and have a blast. Edals color your sound but the raw tone if its good u font need any pedals.
Really, Chris…an Arsenal shirt…really😂
COYG!!
I love Charlie Starr of Blackberry Smoke ! Classy Guy. Didn't care for and advert every 2 minutes. I realize thats money but, wow, thats a lot of commercials in one 20 minute episode.
Goooner! Seen The Smoke live a few years ago at Shepherd's Bush Empire, great live band 😊👍
This is a very good video. The gain was in the tone. Cassette deck guitar amp.
Way to go Charlie, giving Ratt and Warren DeMartini some credit! Strip away the flash and you’ve got what matters – great songs and stellar guitar work
It was never Eddie or Randy for me.. it was always Gary Moore 🤘
I don't have a real Kalon I want to spend I would love to have one
First lick is very Iommi.
The duads and triads will take to far
Lose the Emirates. You will understand later.
Man I hope you do more of these Chris, awesome interview. Lots of good nerdy guitar info, killer lesson on the Waiting on the Thunder solo, and just a super enjoyable hour. Love Charlie and Blackberry Smoke and hope you have a lot more friends you can bring in for more episodes of Shred with Shifty.
What a great meeting between you and Charlie Starr. Learned a lot from listening to you both. Thank you.
Charlie mentioned that someone said playing s solo is like singing. In Joe Bonamassa's solo in I'd Rather Be Blind, I always say he is singing a duet with Beth Hart. She sings it then he plays it. Awesome example of what Charlie is saying.
Love BBS. Thank you for this great show. My first time watching you but wont be the last
I think it's all been said already. Simply the best. One of the few persons that followed their heart and found the calling of the soul.
I thought you were Matt McCusker at first
I feel sorry that Charlie has to sit and endure this idiots subpar playing n stupid life stories. Like he could even hold a candle to his playing. Foo fighters WoW. Now you interview real guitar players!!! 😊 I fast forwarded every time Grohls weiner boyfriend talked…
As an intermediate scrub of a guitar player I appreciate your interview! Thanks for a great video!
I saw Blackerry Smoke years ago when they played on a small trailer at Harley Davidson store in Dayton, OH. They were awesome and ROCKED the crowd!!! I love their music and Charlie Starr is tremendous!!
Half way through the hour and I'm really enjoying this talk amongst friends… Been a fan of BBS from the jump when I picked up a copy of Little Piece of Dixie… and Shifty is asking some great questions for Charlie whom I consider the torch bearer for carrying on Southern Rock today… along with his band mates of course… Learning a lot of history behind Mr. Starr's influences and playing style… so thanks Shifty… 😏👍🏽 Just stumbled upon this and subbed…
That was Great!
Love this vid and Charlie!! Love him even more that he referenced Paul Kossoff and free !!! Thanks for sharing so much!!!
Charlie Starr and Blackberry Smoke RULE!!!!!
Absolutely love Charlie Starr's sounds …. and I'm a drummer!! BBS are such an awesome band, love them!
The coolest dude from the coolest band on the planet. Catch the smoke at least twice whenever they play the UK. I never had EVH as a major influence for Charlie but that puts him to God status! Have tickets for next tour here. It now makes sense that Eddie was an influence because Charlie is a Tone man through and through. Thank you for the music that medicine's my mind