Queensryche – Eyes of a Stranger Guitar Lesson
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Video Title: Queensryche – Eyes of a Stranger Guitar Lesson
[Applause] Hey guys it is carl brown from guitarlessons365.com one of my favorite songs from one of my favorite bands today we’re gonna learn how to do eyes of a stranger uh by queens reich so chris degarmo michael wilton just an amazing guitar duo just did some incredible stuff
I think chris de garma is one of the greatest writers in you know rock history um so check out all of this stuff if you have i mean i know when he left queens right it was tough so um we’re gonna go throughout this entire thing and learn both michael wooden and
Uh christopher armas parts now we’ll say that when we get to the harmony sections of the song i’m not going to be covering all the rhythm guitar stuff under it so all the rhythm guitar stuff will be going on until there’s a harmony line and then i’m gonna basically play each
Guitar to show you each guitar player’s harmony line because i’m not assuming okay there’s three guitar players in your van or whatever you’re probably not so we’ll stick with the essentials like what they would play live all right but before i get into it please subscribe to
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This uh clean intro which i skipped in the beginning um so pretty simple stuff um Right here in this last quarter is actually a swell coming in with the kind of just shorted a power chord so still i don’t forget that that’s there but anyway let’s start here with this little melody so it’s just a melody on the d string second fret four five
Four now while he’s doing that hit the low e string with it too so you’re gonna have to hybrid pick this so you’ll pick the low e string each time and then with your let’s say middle finger just pick that note on the d string so we have this
Two you’re always gonna hit the low e string with it and then four then up to five ominous sounding then back down to four and then we start over so back down to two up to four up to five now in this last time you hear when this
A power chord swells in with the distortion you’re gonna come up here and you’re gonna still hit the low e string in the bass but you’re gonna play the seventh fret on the d string and the ninth fret there on the g and so you’re going to need two fingers to pluck
Like that All right so now we have the main riff where we come in with that swelling of the a on that last quarter the clean section swell in an eight pound four then we have this and then the harmony line comes in so we have this open e string now actually
Underneath this if you want you can add a rhythm guitar part under it uh last most of the time i see them both playing this live but you can do like You can just kind of stick with this main riff you want so we have this open e and then ninth fret on the d string and then you want to think of it as three melodies notes and in between each one of those melody notes you’re going to keep going back to
This ninth fret of the d so we have the open e string that ninth fret on the d now we go to the first melody note twelfth fret of the then like i said before keep going back to this ninth fret on the d string between each note then go to the next
Melody note the tenth fret on the b back to that nine on the d and then back to the eleven uh the melody note next time was on the 11th fret of the g string and then back to that d so we have this And then we go down to this first chord so that’s going to be the fifth fret across the d and the g and then the eighth fret there on the b string so that’s just a c power chord inverted c power chord and then you’re gonna make it a g power chord
By just laying down now the seventh fret on the g string so we have five on the d seven on the g eight on the b look at this then come up here play this riff again And then we go back to the c power chord and now instead of adding the seventh fret and making it uh a g power chord you play that and then just move it up two frets so we had this all together And now you can repeat that with those the chords i want if you have 15 guitar players in your band but now we have a um a harmony guitar line for both krista garma and mike will now krista gara plays the lower harmony line so you do that one first we have this All right so we’re going to start here at the uh ninth fret on the g then up to 11 and then a half step bending release down to five on the g so we have this 11 then release five on the g string and then do a bin
And release at the whole step bin release at the seventh fret on the g so we have this and then you can start the melody over really but when i see him play sometimes he’ll kind of go up the g string just to play those notes but
It’s kind of maybe better to go over to the b string and play them there because we’re going to prepare for that run that’s coming up so when you’re starting the melody over instead of going we just go nine and then seven eight on the b because that gets us in position for
This little run now this little run is just a sequence they do this um throughout the song they’ll do this in the solo section as well too what they’re doing is uh just a three note sequence through the scale so what that basically means is you have
Your scale the notes of the scale so in this case let me just show you the notes real quick we have 10 8 7 on the b then 9 7 6 on the on the g and then that’s 975 on the d so those are the notes
Now how he plays across these notes is he takes a sequence to it so we have a three note sequence starting off of every note and we just keep going down so what does that mean well we start on this top note and go three notes down from it one two three
Then you start on the next note in the scale down which is now the eighth fret so your three notes down from that one then you start the next note in the scale which is that seventh fret on the b and do three notes down from that just staying within the scale
So it’s a three note descending sequence that he just takes down and plays off of every note in the scales until he wants to stop two three the next note one two three the next note one two three and then we have one two three from the ninth right on the uh g
Now that note is what’s going to stick out a little bit and then we have seven six on the uh g over to that uh nine on the d then three notes down from the sixth fret and then three notes down from the ninth fret there on the d
So as long as you know these notes and you know the pattern it’s easier to memorize it now he’s pulling off these notes more he’s not picking them so he’s like So one of those i did a slide just when we changed position like that so you can do that so it’s just pulling off 1087 then pulling off these two notes and you have to pick that note and then pick seven and pull off nine seven and then play pick nine
Pull off the seven slide down to six that’s how i’m doing at least so as soon as we get to those three notes on the d string they hit the low e you’re done all right now so we have michael wilton’s harmony line which is just
Harmonizing this in a third up so we have this So that’s starting at the eighth fret of the b up to ten whole stat bin release down to five And then uh ben and release at the eighth fret of the b then we start the melody over again but once again we play a little bit differently 8 10 over to seven on the high e string and now we start his triplet line which goes
Through the same scale but since he’s a third higher a little bit higher up in this hill so we’re gonna the note’s gonna be that eight seven on the high e and he’s gonna make then the same scale on the b string scan field on the g
And just the first note on the d there since he’s starting three notes higher so we’re just doing add that seven eight on top of the scale so we’re going to start the three note sequence from there goes down from the eight then three notes down from the seven
Then three notes down from the ten on the b so i’m not showing you the notes too much because we already covered what they are and then three notes down from the eight then three notes down from the seven and here he tends to stay on the g
String actually from what i can see he plays nine six pull off i mean sorry slide down to uh six and then play seven six slide down to four instead of playing that same note there so we have the and then the low e there too so we have this All right so that’s it for the intro section and then we have this first verse is this [Applause] All right so we start here with just this fourth fret on the d second front of the g open b open high e string so that’s the first chord and then we’re gonna have the open e string and we go down to an e major chord here
Which is just going to be the second find on the d first on the g open b open high e again let’s play this From there you kind of just kind of little muted hit you can just hit it on the the second fret on the d string or just a mute muted note and then we have this which is the you keep the first fret there on the uh g string but you’re
Gonna hammer on zero you can hit that along with the open b and hammer on the second fret there on the b string let’s try this And then we go back to the first chord low e and then the e major again and now this second inning which is basically just a different hammer we’re going to be holding instead of doing this we’re going to play this a bar across the second fret of the g and the b
You play those together and then hammer on the third fret they’re going to beat so we have this and then just repeat And then after you’ve done it a couple times we have this little transition just strum the chord and then go the high e b and g and then go down to the e major So that’s that the you strum the chord and then pick the d string and then the high e b g d so with this and then start over from where we began Now this last one the last time instead of going to this e major down here you do this well you see crystal garber jumps up and grabs this for him which is the open e string seventh fret on the a six on the d seven on i’m sure nine on the g
And then that gets us to the pre-chorus slash chorus um so i’m just gonna kind of uh they kind of blend together so i’m gonna start i’m just gonna play through the pre-chorus and chorus sections and teach them together so we have this So Sorry got carried away there that’s a different part so um anyway so this this pre-chorus is a little bit different than the main riff that came that kind of a little bit different from that one we start with the same e string but the first you don’t play that at first we have
So just basically you skip the first hit of the nine on the d string just hit go for straight from the low e string to the 12th fret on the b string this is just the pre-chorus then you go to the 9 and then 10 on the b 9 on the d again
And then the 11 on the g so again it’s just one little no difference instead of this There’s this so there’s a slight difference and then we go to the same course then here take this c up to the d and then you can hear he resolves it you’ll hear this better at the end of the song that d and then resolve just pick up the note on the
B string so it’s just a bar across the seventh fret across the ddg and the b and then we’re to the actual kind of chorus here which is anyway so that starts on the c chord so this is um you play just a regular c power chord
And then you move that note up on the uh g string from fifth fret up to the seventh and then while you’re doing that after that you go to the you’re gonna now play move the note on the d string down to the fourth fret we have this like that so it
Then we have this this little melody line 5’4 on the d to 5 on the 8th string so from there we hit the low e string and then play the power 4 to the 5th fret of the d power chord on the fifth fret of the a string
Slide up to seven and back down five so it is Then down that’s good don’t have some little muted hits in there then the e power chord then jump up here go the fifth fret on the a four foot on the d and then make a power chord by just laying then the pinky down to the fifth fret
While keeping that fifth fret on the a string seventh by playing the picky down on the seventh fret of the d and then a couple hits again on the low e back down to the c power board so let me play up to that and then kind of start the same thing
Over a little bit with a c chord So that’s a little bit different ending we did after we have that we go up the d power chord and then up to the e power and then kind of look you do it kind of a hit there down up hit muted hit and gonna go
Back to the e power chord but this time you’re gonna while you’re doing it you’re gonna hammer on The seven to nine on the d so up to that part we have this study Then down to an e power chord after a little ham roll [Applause] and then we have a couple hits again keep adding those hits um but we have this time again fifth fret on the a fourth fret on the d but you’re gonna pick those together hammer on the front of the d and then a couple hits and back to that c power board
Uh so we have this all together it’s better sometimes to play because it is kind of intricate So it kind of starts over here so just like the first time we played there and now this time when it gets to the c power chord it’s kind of like the second inning instead of going what it does it starts building up there and it goes it takes us to the second
Verse which is completely different than the first verse and it it completely rocks too so i’m glad they did it um so that’s just kind of so kind of you’re basically at the very end the second time through that chorus riff instead of going he goes takes us here
All right so hopefully you guys understand the chorus it’s better i know sometimes i play along when it comes to just riffs like that but it’s basically the same thing done twice um so now we have verse number two there’s a little bit of like a little uh
Transition into it it’s coming out when we hit that chorus so from when we first hit this chord look do get carried away man i think this is the song is just killer all right so we’re starting here with this kind of a big e power chord low e string open
Second fret bar on the a and d second from the a and b [Applause] i really want to borrow these three strings there because you’re gonna first be playing the b on the g string and so you have those four strings [Applause] use some muted hits again and what you’re gonna do is pick the d string which you’re holding at the second second fret and the g which you’re holding at the second now and hammer back on that fourth fret so it is in the back some more low e hits
Then basically move that fourth fret up to the fifth fret on the uh um g string while keeping the second fret there on the on the d’s we have this And then a couple more hits and then we go to a d chord d triad in first inversion which is the f sharp there on the d string fourth fret uh second fret on the a uh a note it’s on the g string and then the uh third fret there on the
Beat look at this And then a couple so he’s going to keep adding those low e hits in there so Now here’s where the vocals come in so we’ll go back to this first core so it’s the same thing there But here what we trans we have this first time hammer on that two to four low e hits then up to that chord we did before and then low e hits but this time you’re just going to play the fourth fret on the g i’m sorry the d second from the g
So just those two notes There and then back to the main chord back to the hammer from two to two to four on the g and then here we go to the full d chord which is for the d string second on the g third one and then you’re gonna end it really by
Sliding four to five on the d and four to five on the jeep so all together from when the vocals come in on this part Now you repeat from there Now this very last time instead of doing two to four the last time he actually goes pick the two on the d and four on the g slide up that up to the front of the g string so it’s very slight but if you listen to the original recording you can hear it
Back to that d major chord and then the same ending as before so all together from when we we came out of this um chorus Right here slide from b to c and then the same enemy all right so that’s the verse i just called verse two um and then we have the pre-chorus and chorus just a little bit different ending from when we played it before actually it’s it’s really we’re well we’re not doing
Which is like the true pre-chorus we just kind of go straight into the chorus right here so there’s just a little different ending from that c and you do that up to the d and then the little add nine or whatever and then down to the a power chord
And then at the very end there’s a b power board the second from the a string and then that takes us to the solo section so the solo section what i’m gonna play here is this the rhythm guitar part for the solo section um and then basically come in where so michael wilton’s
Playing underneath crystal garma solo but when it gets to the harmony section then i’m going to go pick up and play michael wilton’s harmony part so that’s how we’re going to do it here so you’re going to hear rhythm first and then kind of halfway through i’m going to jump
Into the harmony line um and then we’ll go back and do all of chris de garmo solo and then his parlor harmony line so we have this right here Uh All right so we’re just starting there with this this crystal is that little part where crystal garment is so this is kind of holding e for that and then we jump into the e to the d power chord with the fifth fret of the a string so you just kind of go
Back and forth And then just at the end we have this which is just kind of the c so with a c power four to the g and then he kind of does a little bass line it just goes from the g power chord to two on the low e
And then he jumps into the harmony so that’s gonna start it’s kind of similar to the uh his part of the opening the harmony intro and the intro section of the song let’s play this we start here ten i mean sorry eight on the b ten
I’ve been in release down to five same thing as before that bending release of the eight and then from here eight eight to ten would be to seven on the high e And then you go up to eight and then play this is the high harmony part by the way Which is play eight ten now So there and we up to ten pull off to eight plus seven back to the eight so that little ending there’s Then he jumps way up here So we have we’re up here at the 19th fret pick that 19th fret a few times so then down to 17 pull off to 15 over to 19 on the b then do that again 17 pull up to 19. i’m sorry 17 pull up to 15 over to 19 on
The b so it is Then back to that 15 on the high e string then we’re going to start the melody from there so we have So so 15 17 to bend and release then over to 17 on the b string then we’re going to play the whole uh been released to the 20th front of the b string Then from there pick the 20 i get on the b then go up 17 on the high e and then 19 and now we start the triplet pattern again this is Through those notes so he’s playing 20 19 17 on the high e and the b Then the notes he’s gonna do on the g string he’s going to kind of keep everything down the g from there so we have this 18 16 and then 14. so that’s c sharp’s in there again so just three notes down from each note the same pattern that we did before he’s
Doing mostly pulling off and slides we have this So just just remember that pattern three notes down from each note on the scale and you know the notes in the scale then you can just do it and you try you just pick the notes that you have to so so just know those notes and follow the
Pattern and it’s pretty easy and he ends it there and it pops to the bridge section so chris de garbo’s now solo and then into his harmony part so i’m gonna play that for you real quick and then i’ll show you how to play it note for note All right so i might have when i was in that melody there at the very end i remembered one melody note in the the uh michael wilton’s thing so we would do that when we’re going up there At the end so before when it when you’re doing this little melody right here it kind of goes back into the scale so back to michael wilton’s part in that harmony section in the solo when at that very end Instead of going from there into the triplets it goes back down to 17 real quick and then to the triplets sorry about that when you’re dealing with 3 000 notes at once you’re gonna inevitably miss one from here there so anyway so michael well uh i’m sorry christopher masolo we have this first
Phrase All right so we’re going to start with this kind of some uh actually we’re going to start with this little phrase here and then the proper solo starts so that little line right there is you’re going to be uh pedaling off of the open e string each time
So basically pick the note the melody notes on the uh b string and you hit that high e string between each one so you pick the 12 on the b then the high e string open then seven on the b then the high e open eight on the b i e open
Five on the b i e open seven on the b so so far away this so the melody notice is 12 7 8 5 7 and then down 3 zero the b so the melody is just all the b string with that keep putting the high e string between each one
And then we get to that first solo which is Very very cool so we had this couple hits on the low e we got a hammer five to seven the a string hits on the low e again a couple of them then pull off seven to five and a couple eat low e hits against with it And then slide seven and nine down the eggs back to this low he hits and then we have this pulling off five to four on the d over to five on the a and then slide back to the seven on the eighth and then slide into that seven again
And then do a quick camera from five to seven five so let’s open this and then the end of the melody so we we’re sliding into nine on the d and down to seven and then play hammer seven nine slide down to four all right next phrase
Into the harmony section so we’re going to do this we’re going to um slide into the ninth fret on the d roll over to the ninth on the g back then hammer seven to nine on the g then over to eight seven eight seven on the b overdue uh nine on the g
Then a bend at the eighth fret on the b release that bin and then you do a quick little hammer from seven to eight pull back off the seven and then down to the kind of slide down into this fifth fret on the g string look at this i’m sorry one more time
Then start that again So right here after you get to that nine on the g string the second time he slides that up to this lick so that’s sliding into the 14th fret on the g over to 15 i’m sorry 12 on the b string you’re going to pull off now 15 to 12
Over to 15 on the g and back to the 12 on the on the b string then repeat that 15 on the g and then the 12 on the b again then you’re gonna pull off 15 to 14 to 12 on the g and then you’re going to play
Pull off 14 to 12 on the g over to 14 on the d and then kind of do that again so we have so after that fourth second time i’m gonna play 12 you can pull off you want 12 to 11 over to 14 on the d and then back to
That 11 is what ends the lick on the g and then we go to his harmony line now so this now this is when michael wilton comes in so from here he goes down to starts it’s kind of the same harmony line and then they go off higher so it’s kind of the
Same hormone line from the beginning of the song All right so it starts with the same line as before and now there’s different ending to it nine on the g up to 11 up to eight on the b string and then we have this so this is the low harmony part ten four all right and then we’re up here to the
Lower harmony part of the high section that makes any sense So we’re up here hit that 15 a couple of times so this is it goes to that part so that’s a couple times on the 15. you got to pull off 14 to 12 on the high e over to 15 on the b and then repeat that 14 to 12 pull off
Down to 15 on the beat and then back to the uh 12th round ie and then into the melody 12 14 half step bend release over to the 13 on the beat holst that bit at least at 15 fret And then back to that 12 14 15 and back to that 14 note which goes with this And then we start his descending line so just the notes that we’re playing here real quick so remember it’s just that same descending line three note down three notes from each note which is just the so the notes are 17 15 14 on the high e and the b
And then 16 14 12 11 on the g so just three notes down from that top note So those notes on the g i’m just pulling off sliding down and pulling off sliding down so it’s the same pattern i just showed you the notes first and then take that same pattern apply it to those notes and that’s how you’ll understand what they’re doing there and then we get
To the bridge section which looks like this so into that last chorus so that starts with a b power chord here in the second one a string and then you just that’s a play melody line that happens in it then move it up to the c power chord
Then you take it down to an a sus2 chord so you play it first as just just a power chord kind of but you hold that b string if you open and then you hit the open b and back down to that d string and then we have a different ending here
Instead of an a plus two four we do this so So that just that g power chord in it two on the low e five on the a open e and then to that a sus two boarding kind of take a claws back so we have this there and then we just go to a g power chord
And then that kind of d power chord f sharp in the bass A power chord and then hit that again the low e hit it again and then the g power recorder still play it like that so all together with Then we get to the chorus again so that chorus kind of holds that first note and then picks up from there [Applause] right here so it’s kind of the same little ending there when it gets to that part we get back to them Now it’s kind of the same as the intro there but here we do it kind of like we did in the middle of the song where we now add that d chord at the end Now um that’s over that kind of little outro section that’s going we also have some chords going the e power chord the same that kind of had in the solo i’m not i’m sorry not solo but kind of earlier All right so while that’s going on you can choose which rhythm part you want to play because now krista garma comes in with some uh little outro solo stuff uh we’ll looks like this It kind of fades out from there so we just have just got octave shape um we have the fifth fret on the a string seven foot on the g remember he’s gonna hit those kind of two low e string hits of course between us i’m hitting that d octave sliding up
To the e octave so two plus higher so you do that a few times like four times and then what you’re gonna do is hit then the e power chord and then slide it down and the low e string open and then we just have some
Some uh power chords here off the g and b string so we have this um fifth fret here on the uh g string eight on the b c power chord then down to the fourth fret five seven five seven seven feet all right so it kind of just goes off
From there just kind of fades out there so i know it’s kind of an intricate breakdown of this really kind of epic track from queens right it’s just just an incredible song i hope you guys enjoyed it i’ll see you again soon for guitar lessons 365.com you
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Clean Intro – 2:16
Distorted Intro – 4:16
Harmony Guitar Line – 7:01
First Verse – 13:56
Pre-Chorus / Chorus – 17:30
Second Verse – 24:48
Solo Section – 31:11
Bridge Section – 47:31
DeGarmo Outro Section – 52:01
Thank you so much for this lesson Carl! I couldn't wait for this one since you got me into Queensryche with the Jet City Woman lesson.
Happy Holidays man!
I have the sheet music for this whole album…going to dust it off tomorrow and crank my amp! Ramp into a new year Rockin some QR!!!!
My Man, I understand, Around 18:05 you where really feeling it. Awesome !!!! I gotta study with you. What a incredibly well written song.
When carl is banging his head, best pay attention to the riff cause its pretty filthy
still my favorite band of all time and there isnt a day that goes by if im rocking out on guitar I play multiple Ryche Riffs. Over the years its nice to get them right. Thanks for posting.
May i ask what kind of pefals-effects you re using to get that sound?
thank you for this lesson i really apreciate it .
Can you do I won’t forget you by poison?
Can you do I don't believe in love …ty you sir…
Carl,
Just starting off, been playing through laptop…..
I wanna graduate to a setup like I'm hearing u play on.
What is it?
Wow this is going to take some time…can you do empire next when you decide to do more queensryche ty sir..
Thanks!
What amp are you using
love that guitar buddy!
Hells yes, dude! Thanks so much for this awesome lesson!
Hey Carl, can you do Empire by Queensryche? That would be awesome. Keep up the good work your amazing.
Great job and love you for 18:30 "sorry got carried away there". Don't worry, everyone else is throwing the guitar around, moshing out to that bit and knocking over pot plants, maiming passing children etc. It is those little bits of intensity / dissonance that…
This is still my number one most favorite Carl Brown lesson! Thanks again for this one Carl!
The tones you are getting in this video are awesome!
What type of amp are you using and pedals and settings
love this song ty Carl
❤️🙏
Man this song takes me back to those qr days. Whatever happened to Degarmo after he left QR? Those two just rocked it.
Carl, here is where I am at….I've "almost" subscribed about a dozen times….seriously, BUT i hesitate because I would love to see the tabs included. Don't get me wrong, you are #1 on YouTube but….my check is ready to go…LMK
I wish I could give this 100 thumbs up. More older QR please Carl, Warning/Rage for order/Mindcrime! Take hold of the flame would be priceless.
Do you have a backing track of this song
Favorite Queensryche song! You rock man!
hey Carl i know a cover band is looking for
Can you do a warning tutorial?
AWESOME.
i saw them live twice on the EMPIRE tour in the summer and fall of 1991.
Thank u for showing the subtle intricacies ive heard all these years but never understood how they did it.
When you got to the chorus,I about crapped myself,like now I know how to play it,thanks man!!!
Dude,you are the man. Breaking this song down,is so Kool. I remember trying to learn it from tab years ago from guitar magazine,got nowhere, awesome thanks bud!!
Carl, spectacular work on this song!….
Love it! Break the silence would be great if you could do it.
Chris DeGarmo was one of the most underated Guitarists of his time, his work on Mindcrime is a masterclass.
You are a GREAT teacher! Thank you! Their chord structure always mystified me… they sound so blended and sprite-like… like a "spray of color" so to say. Great videos!
Wow this is an ass kicker
This is so great, thank you. After many years off, I've picked up playing again and I've found this song alot of fun. Rythym is fairly easy (but I liked the main riff b/c of the string skipping) and the solos have been challenging but fun as I used to (in the 80s!) focus alot on scale patterns. I've seen a few videos but this one got me to hit the subscibe button.
G R E A T !!!
Mr. Brown… hands down to the absolute best riff analysis and guitar methodology for CERTAINLY ONE OF THE BEST heavy-metal tracks from the 80-ies !!!!
OUTSTANDING JOB and SKILL to catch these guitar sounds and exhibit them so clearly and efficiently here.
Thanks to you, one can really enjoy playing this song to a backing track and it feels great… myself get carried away just like you throughout the lesson :)))))))
Perhaps, you could consider doing the same for Queensryche´s ´´I Don´t Believe in Love ´´?
Liked and subscribed! If you could do 'Walk in the Shadows' that would be SO awesome!
Hey can you please do a video on Queen of the reich I can't find any good videos on how to play it
This is one of my favourite songs EVER. This lesson is a dream.. thank you 😊
I was wondering how the hell I missed this one. Then I saw it was uploaded Christmas day…I was in a food coma and had one too many drinks…that'll explain it
Still working on perfecting this one a few months later! Thank you again so very much for this wonderful lesson! It was the best Christmas gift by far!!! Love your enthusiasm in this one Carl, I believe it is shared by many!
Do more Queensryche, they got tons of kickass music!
I can't listen to this song without just listening to the whole album. It's a masterpiece. But the outro groove in this song is so kick ass. When I was a teenager we dubbed it over and over together so we could jam out to it for 10 minutes. Easy to do now, but back in '88 – not so much.